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This is nothing more than a giddy little thrill for highly educated liberals, who feel like they score a gotcha every time Trump “lies”, thus playing out all the worst stereotypes of smug liberals. And by the way, it doesn’t even qualify as a “lie” if it isn’t intended to be true in the first place.

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Trump speaks in a stream of meaningless bullshit, and he doesn’t care whether it’s true or not. It isn’t even intended to convey information, for fuck’s sake! It’s intended to posture and persuade. Neither does anyone for whom putting food on the table and paying rent is higher priorities than dunking on republicans.

One example is when that Muslim couple in San Bernardino, California killed/injured 14 people. Trump wanted total shutdown of all Muslims coming into the country. I don’t think that was a good approach to that problem, because it’s not like suddenly every Muslim is going to do a shooting after they saw what that couple did.

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Four years into Trump’s presidency. FOUR YEARS of impotent fact checks. And liberals still have not figured out that fact checks accomplish absolutely nothing. In order for fact checks to matter, people need to give a shit about facts in the first place. Trump supporters sure don’t.

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Does anyone disagree that this would be a good idea if good, objective fact-checkers were utilized? The level of misinformation these days is just crazy. Everything important should be independently fact-checked – especially a presidential debate. Germany had a rich history before the nazis. The US started with genocide and slavery.

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They really should run it on like a ten-minute delay so they can put the fact-checking on screen as the lie is told. The big problem with fact-checking someone like Trump is that once he tells a lie, you have a very short window to refute it before it becomes GOP truth (or is written off as.

An actual live fact check isn’t going to happen…if so I’d be big-time surprised. The debates will not happen I’m afraid. Trump cannot simply tell the smallest truth. Biden of course has skeletons as well that can be fact-checked. But Trump is as deep as a swamp as it gets. Again I’d be super surprised if the Trump team doesn’t spin in some fashion not having debates

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Would like to see Chris Wallace step up and support this. Maybe even angle to be the face of the fact-checker. Someone from Fox News would be ideal, so long as it can remain generally unbiased. Again I’d be super surprised if the Trump team doesn’t spin in some fashion not having debates as it will be the nail in the coffin if actively fact-checked.

I am a conservative and I do think Trump is an awful president, but these calls for fact checks are a bad idea. All the big news corporations that will be selected to “check facts” will all be left-leaning, same as when google created this media group to factcheck There are actually a lot of facts & studies that the left would not like to hear.

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Also tbh Idk who Chris Wallace is but it would be great if it was someone who is to the right of center.. it doesn’t even matter that person will just end up as an enemy of trump supporters The more I think of it the more none of this matters no one is gonna change their mind this whole thing is crazy

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i feel like there’s a time for common sense. one guy on the beach…not terrible. why don’t we just monitor people in these places and make sure everyone is keeping distance, or only allow a certain number on the beach at a time a la what the supermarkets already do. what I don’t like is blanket rules like these that don’t apply to every situation. ie. what if I wanted to go for a hike? how is that not social distancing? and don’t tell me…’ what if everyone goes for hikes?’ that’s a slippery slope fallacy. Reddit is so chock full of rule crazy authoritarian nazis with absolutely zero compassion for anyone. The negativity of it all gets exhausting. Like honestly how much of a risk is a guy way out in the ocean.

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Bredesen wrote on Facebook, “I support social distancing (for a certain amount of time) and we are all going to get through this. But (and don’t even think about responding if you’re not a surfer because remember, we have to rely on the experts) to put a ban on surfing or long-distance swimming or paddling is wrong. If you’re looking for an expert, you found him. Remember, we have to rely on the experts! Then listen to the experts on this pandemic and stay the fuck at home. He compares going to the market for surfing. People don’t go surfing to feed their families and get medicine for their loved ones.

There are so many people saying “What’s the harm?”, it’s not him specifically but when you let one person surf or do whatever, then you begin to have an issue where people see this person out and allowed to do something, then it just invites more people to do the same, or cry for inequality because he’s allowed on the beach and they are not. What makes him exempt from the rules? Only in Manhattan Beach do the police drive custom lifted Silverados. If that does not exemplify California government spending I don’t know what does.

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Bredesen wrote on Facebook, “I support social distancing (for a certain amount of time) and we are all going to get through this. But (and don’t even think about responding if you’re not a surfer because remember, we have to rely on the experts) to put a ban on surfing or long-distance swimming or paddling is wrong. If you’re looking for an expert, you found him. When I am surfing, stay away from me. No one is ever near me, I am so greedy. Stay off my waves, get out of the way, and don’t even think of talking to me because I know you’re trying to get me off my game and miss the next set.

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The “expert” is just another guy that doesn’t understand ‘why does this law applies to me? I’m not the problem’. Wtf are we supposed to do? Open the beaches for just surfers? Try to limit the number of people on the beach at once? Neither of those approaches is very feasible. We can only march as fast as our slowest citizens. Unfortunately, that means the beaches have to be closed because fukin Tyler and his friends think this pandemic is a vacation and a great time for a beach party. Yes, you are correct. If the guy disregarded lifeguards, it now becomes a liability issue and it becomes the responsibility of the lifeguard to call backup so the young surfer will comply.

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The “expert” is just another guy that doesn’t understand ‘why does this law applies to me? I’m not the problem’. Wtf are we supposed to do? Open the beaches for just surfers? Try to limit the number of people on the beach at once? Neither of those approaches is very feasible. We can only march as fast as our slowest citizens. Unfortunately, that means the beaches have to be closed because fukin Tyler and his friends think this pandemic is a vacation and a great time for a beach party.

This guy is a prick but to all those saying MB is full of rich assholes, I live here and I’m neither rich nor an asshole. On forums, people are offering to drop food and household items at the doorsteps of the needy. People are supporting each other and being very kind. There are the idiots, as always, but I find most people to generally be considerate. I also know if I hop the fence and skate at the park that might encourage others to do the same. Which is not doing our civil duty of staying away form everyone. I wish we could all get back to business as usual, but it will take some time.

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This guy is a prick but to all those saying MB is full of rich assholes, I live here and I’m neither rich nor an asshole. On forums, people are offering to drop food and household items at the doorsteps of the needy. People are supporting each other and being very kind. There are the idiots, as always, but I find most people to generally be considerate. That’s my favorite beach ever. I go there all the time. But I get that people are mad that he got a ticket even though he was there alone, but the beaches in Los Angeles County are closed to everyone.